Posted on Sunday, September 18th, 2022
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How do you handle a customer who has you do a quote, revise the layout, then doesn’t place the order?
A reader wants to know how to deal with a customer who is very interested in a sign then bails out. The new manager of a company he had worked for in the past contacted him about a new sign.
“It sounded like he needed the sign in a hurry,” the sign maker said, “so we jumped to assist him. We did a layout for him, made multiple changes and sent about 20 e-mails back and forth.
“Then he said he wanted to send it to headquarters for them to review. Now it’s a month later and we have not received the job. How do others handle this?”
I’m assuming you’ve sent a couple emails inquiring where the job stands and if any decisions have been made or if you can offer any additional assistance. If you have and are still not getting a response, a phone call helps nudge things along, at least as far as a reply and perhaps explanation.
Don’t fret. I’ve had similar experiences where they needed it right away and then finally got back to me several months later and were ready to move forward with it but “needed it in a hurry”! Go figure.
We have been in business for over 40 years and your situation is one of the hardest to decide how to proceed. When we encounter a new manager we lose the relationship we had with the previous one and pretty much have to start all over. With new customers we set the expectation early that design and sending proofs are part of the cost of the sign so we get a deposit up front but with your situation we usually just absorb the cost in the beginning to show the new manager that we value their business. We also educate them of the cost incurred to design and email in the future. I usually say “we just charge for the computer time”. This usually makes sense to the customers since there is no such thing as a free estimate. 🙂 I could get political here about the misuse of the word free but I will refrain.
I have learned thru my 48 years in this business to avoid dealing with or designing for “committees” or anyone who has to have “corporate” approve anything. They ALWAYS know more about our talents than what we do.
Sign & Lettering Artist
In the sales process of any business, this is a regular thing. That’s what Customer Relations Management (CRM) software is critical to a busy sign shop. An old-school method is a paper “tickler file” that reminds you to follow up on proposals daily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tickler_file
I’ve found that you can do several things to spur purchase: (in order of time)
As for the art you’ve sent – if your shop policy is to design work for free, shame on you! You are giving away the ONE thing that sign professionals still offer as a unique value. The production side of our craft is essentially commoditized. There is a vast supply of print capacity everywhere and online, so profit centers have shifted to artwork. The professional design we offer is our profit center, and you should never do anything beyond a rough thumbnail without a contract or deposit. Once that art leaves your PC, the horse is out of the barn and in the wild.
If you don’t get the sale and can’t get a straight answer about why they can’t get the deal done pay a visit in person. See if they went to another shop with your art. If so they didn’t respect your time or the law. I had this happen once. I saw my art on a new sign I hadn’t built. A letter from my lawyer to the customer and the sign shop alleging “unjust enrichment” by the use of the logo I designed resulted in a substantial settlement from both. But that’s another story.
In simple terms, folks now have to budget more than in the past decade. A month-long wait to close a sale is regular IMHO. In prior recessions, it took as much as 6 months to close a sale after we bid it. 3 months was the average.
Unfortunately, I have found some issues involving corporate level decision making take a very long time. There may be committees involved that only meet monthly. Things definitely don’t move as fast as when dealing with smaller “Mom & Pop” organizations. I do not know your relationship with this individual. Unless he has begun to blow you off, I would say there is still a chance the job will come through.
We simply start with the quote and very clearly explain to the customer we will not begin any art / layouts until the job deposit is paid up front. Anything under $500.00 is paid in full up front and anything over $500.00 is a 50% non-refundable deposit paid up front before we begin any work.
We used to begin artwork before payment was made but too many times we faced similar situations. I started looking at it from a labor view point: if my designers are doing the work, there has to be payment up front to cover their work. You can’t go into Target and help yourself to goods/items unless you pay for them first so why should any of us be treated any different? Just because we are a small business doesn’t give any companies the right to walk on us or push us around. Sorry just my .02
All of our proofs have a statement that reads “• Any Revisions Of This Design / Layout Without Purchase Of Project In Question Will Incur An Art Charge! •
This Design Is Property Of All About Signs & Service, Inc. • Copyright Rules Apply”
This has helped recoup some of the art time used to create the design(s).
After they pay the art fee, if they want to continue with the sign(s) we adjust the material cost and requote it.